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Higher stats do have concrete advantages, though not all of these are obvious to detect. Two that are, and two that WERE:  
Higher stats do have concrete advantages, though not all of these are obvious to detect. Here are some known quantities:  
*26 Dex = Impossible to fumble potions.  
*26 Dex = Impossible to fumble potions.  
*+1 Str = Additional 100 lbs carry capacity (max 1100 at 26 Str).
*+1 Str = Additional 100 lbs carry capacity (max 1100 at 26 Str).
*+1 Str = Rangers 'gash' attach is STR+WIS based, and hits much harder with 26 Str.
*26 Int = Grasp was Int based, and was brutal at 26 int. Got nerfed. (news 1149)
*26 Int = Grasp was Int based, and was brutal at 26 int. Got nerfed. (news 1149)
*26 Wis = Dorn was Wis based, and this was fucking ammazzzzing. Got nerfed. (news 1171)
*26 Wis = Dorn was Wis based, and this was fucking ammazzzzing. Got nerfed. (news 1171)
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The Dru-Cle or Cle-Dru combination is the ONLY one that causes the prime stat to go up to 26.  
The Dru-Cle or Cle-Dru combination is the ONLY one that causes the prime stat to go up to 26.


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Latest revision as of 13:41, 29 August 2024

The prestige option allows you to relevel your character and acquire some gains based on your class (or multiclass).

Prestige Types

There are two types of prestige characters. Some classes can multi-class with another, some can only upgrade at their existing class.

  • These "classic" classes can become multi-class (i.e. Cleric-Druid, or Mage-Thief, etc)
    • Your original class will be your "primary class" while your added class we will call your "secondary class".
      • Cleric
      • Druid
      • Mage
      • Thief
      • Warrior
  • These classes just become upgraded with greater powers in their own class. (they cannot multi-class).
    • Augurer --> Harbinger
    • Fathomer --> Buccaneer
    • Nephandi --> Infernalist
    • Paladin --> Knight
    • Ranger --> Hunter
    • Vampire --> Dread Vampire


  • For the multi-class type, race restrictions still apply. Meaning if your race cannot be a Thief, then you cannot multi as a X-Thief.
    • For example, a Half-Ogre Thief cannot become a Thi-Mag/Dru/Cle because Half-Ogres simply cannot be those classes. He could only become Thi-War

Here's a table of which races can be which classes.

Possible race/class combinations:
Dragonborn Drow Dwarf Elf Gith Gnome Half-Elf Half-Ogre Half-Orc Half-Troll Halfling Human Pixie Sea-elf Tiefling
Cleric
Druid
Mage
Thief
Warrior

Equipment

  • For multi-class prestige:
    • The primary class determines what equipment you can wear. If you're a Thi-Mag, you have to wear Thief/Rogue compatible eq. Not Mage stuff.

Items made specifically for prestige chars of various classes/multi-classes will be introduced to the game at "some point".

(There's a few items I know about currently, so there are probably more out there already)

Look for this to be fully implemented soon, circa 2065!

Bonuses

Prestige characters get several bonuses, including a max stat increase, hp/mana/moves increases, and skills/spells increases. Some get brand new skills/spells, and some have increased speed/wait-time or damage of their existing skills/spells.


Stat Bonus

  • For single-class prestige characters, you get a +1 to the maximum value of your prime stat, so it can now reach 26:
Dread Vampire: 26 Dex
Buccaneer:     26 Dex
Knight:        26 Str
Hunter:        26 Str
Harbinger:     26 Lck
Infernalist:   26 Int


  • For multi-class prestige characters, you get a +1 to the max of the prime stat of the secondary class.
    • For example, a Thi-War: Str is the Warrior's prime stat. So Thi-War can have 21 Str.
    • For example, a Mag-Thi: Dex is the Thief's prime stat. So Mag-Thi can have 21 Dex.
Secondary Class   Increased max stat on the prestige character:
          Thief:  Dex
        Warrior:  Str
           Mage:  Int
         Cleric:  Wis
          Druid:  Wis


Higher stats do have concrete advantages, though not all of these are obvious to detect. Here are some known quantities:

  • 26 Dex = Impossible to fumble potions.
  • +1 Str = Additional 100 lbs carry capacity (max 1100 at 26 Str).
  • +1 Str = Rangers 'gash' attach is STR+WIS based, and hits much harder with 26 Str.
  • 26 Int = Grasp was Int based, and was brutal at 26 int. Got nerfed. (news 1149)
  • 26 Wis = Dorn was Wis based, and this was fucking ammazzzzing. Got nerfed. (news 1171)


Here's a full table of the possible max stats, with the bonus stat from the secondary class in bold, and noted. Note that some influence the primary class's prime/secondary/deficient stats, which can be interesting to think about.

Max Stats per Multi-Class
CLASS Str Int Wis Dex Con Cha Lck Notes
Thi-War 21 20 18 25 20 22 20 +1 Str
Thi-Dru 20 20 19 25 20 22 20 +1 Wis (Thieves deficient stat)
Thi-Cle 20 20 19 25 20 22 20 +1 Wis (Thieves deficient stat)
Thi-Mag 20 21 18 25 20 22 20 +1 Int
War-Thi 25 18 20 23 20 20 20 +1 Dex (Warriors secondary stat)
War-Mag 25 19 20 22 20 20 20 +1 Int (Warriors deficient stat)
War-Cle 25 18 21 22 20 20 20 +1 Wis
War-Dru 25 18 21 22 20 20 20 +1 Wis
Mag-Thi 18 25 22 21 20 20 20 +1 Dex
Mag-War 19 25 22 20 20 20 20 +1 Str (Mages deficient stat)
Mag-Cle 18 25 23 20 20 20 20 +1 Wis (Mages secondary stat)
Mag-Dru 18 25 23 20 20 20 20 +1 Wis (Mages secondary stat)
Cle-War 21 22 25 18 20 20 20 +1 Str
Cle-Thi 20 22 25 19 20 20 20 +1 Dex (Clerics deficient stat)
Cle-Mag 20 23 25 18 20 20 20 +1 Int (Clerics secondary stat)
Cle-Dru 20 22 26 18 20 20 20 +1 Wis (Clerics primary stat)
Dru-Cle 20 20 26 20 22 18 20 +1 Wis (Druids primary stat)
Dru-Mag 20 21 25 20 22 18 20 +1 Int
Dru-War 21 20 25 20 22 18 20 +1 Str
Dru-Thi 20 20 25 21 22 18 20 +1 Dex


The Dru-Cle or Cle-Dru combination is the ONLY one that causes the prime stat to go up to 26.

HP Bonus

Upon having an Immortal prestige you, you will be back at level 1. They will auto-level you to 5.

  • Prestige characters have their starting hp at level 1 doubled compared to normal new chars of that race/class.
    • The equation is: (20 +/- {race/class modifiers}) x 2 = starting hp at level 1.
  • You will then receive 4 automatic levels with all of your stats being maxed by the immortal's prestige command.

This leaves you at Level 5 with a higher base than a standard level 5 character.

(No bonuses to starting mana or movement outside of racial modifiers.)

HP Gains per Level

Gains for multi-class characters are based on primary class, not affected by secondary.

While prestige leveling, your class's min hp gain is +1 from usual, and your max hp gain is +2 from usual.

For example, if a given class has a standard min hp gain of 13 and max of 18 each level, prestige leveling that class would see hp gains between 14 and 20.

HP/Mana Gains by Class
Class Regular Prestige
HP min HP max rng Mana min Mana max rng HP min HP max rng Mana min Mana max rng
Augurer 13 18 5 2 7 5 14 20 6 3 9 6
Druid 14 19 5 2 8 6 15 21 6 3 10 7
Fathomer 11 17 6 2 8 6 12 19 7 3 10 7
Mage 9 12 3 2 9 7 10 14 4 3 11 8
Nephandi 11 13 2 2 8 6 12 15 3 3 10 7
Paladin 15 19 4 2 7 5 16 21 5 3 9 6
Ranger 15 19 4 2 7 5 16 21 5 3 9 6
Thief 12 17 5 n/a 13 19 6 n/a
Vampire 13 18 5 n/a 14 20 6 n/a
Warrior 15 19 4 n/a 16 21 5 n/a

Total HP Gains

My rule of thumb is that you basically get between 4-6 "Free" additional levels worth of hp gains. I usually hit my "old base" around level 44/45. So, whatever I gain after that between 45-50 is additional prestige bonus hp. If you use a generic average hp gain of 15, that's 75 hp. It can of course be significantly more/less depending on race/class and dumb luck.


Here is a list of some actual data points. I apologize for the lack of pre-prestige values in some cases.

Classic Vs Prestige HP Bases at AV
CLASS Race Original HP Prestige HP Average Gain per Level Total HP Gain
Bucc Human 687 802 15.55 115hp
Bucc Gith 693 813 15.91 120hp
Cle-Dru Human 630 714 13.91 84hp
Cle-Dru Human 617 706 13.59 89hp
Dread Girth 790 840 -- 50hp
Dread Gith ? 848 --
Dread ? ? 850 --
Dread ? ? 853 --
Dread ? ? 854 --
Dread ? ? 857 --
Dread Gith 765 858 16.53 93hp
Dread ? ? 860 --
Dread ? ? 861 --
Dread ? ? 866 --
Dread Gith ? 868 --
Dru-Cle Sea-Elf 837 892 17.46 55hp
Dru-Cle Elf 912 17.93
Dru-Cle Sea-Elf ? 909 --
Harb Tiefling 772 855 16.63 83hp
Harb Dwarf ? 850 --
Harb ? 751 818 16 67hp
Hunter Lizardman 852 915 17.77 63hp
Hunter Pixie ? 937 --
Hunter Dwarf ? 939 --
Infern Dragonborn 611 686 12.93 75hp
Knight Elf 875 955 18.75 80hp
Knight Dwarf ? 963 --
Knight Dwarf ? 962 --
Mag-Thi Elf 559 626 12.04 67hp
Mag-Dru Pixie ? 631 --
Thi-War H-Ogre ? 802 --
Thi-Dru H-Elf 825 16.3
War-Cle Drow 845 919 17.89 74hp

Mana/Moves Bonus

You do gain additional mana/moves similar to hp. Same story basically.

Here's some gains on mana I have data points on:

Buccaneer:   +94  mn (human)
Infernalist: +67  mn
Knight:      +50  mn
Harbinger:   +50  mn
Hunter:      +111 mn (had a super poor base mana as a regular Ranger)
Cle-Dru:     +81  mn
Dru-Cle:     +62  mn
Mag-Thi:     +59  mn
War-Cle:     +196 mn (Got 100 "base" mana at prestige time, ended up at 196 total at AV.)

Skill/Spell Bonus

Single-class bonuses

While leveling all skills/spells are auto-adepted to full each level. You do NOT have to "re-learn" things.

  • Harbinger:
    • Faster Spiral: Can spiral 17 times between coils, compared to a regular Augurer's 13 spirals
    • Spiral costs 11 mana instead of 15
  • Buccaneer:
    • Impossible to fumble potions while at 26* dex.
    • Vindur gong is faster and cheaper (takes 9/13th of regular time, so ~31% faster for ~44% more damage per second, costs 22 mana instead of 35)
    • Most spells appear to cost 25% less mana, and rounded down: vindur gong (26 mana vs 35), iceshield (63 mana vs 85), isfundere (22 vs 30), rummage (3 vs 5).
    • New Skills:
      • Retreat: Flee to the last room you were in (directional flee).
      • Terrorize: Force mob to flee if significantly lesser level/experience.
      • Tactics of the Sea: A short lived (15 rds) resistance/saves buff:
            [tactics of ;+030 R: ACID;   13 rds]    [tactics of ;+020 R:MAGIC;   13 rds]
            [tactics of ;+025 R:DRAIN;   13 rds]    [tactics of ;+020 R:UNHLY;   13 rds]
            [tactics of ;+015 R: HOLY;   13 rds]    [tactics of ;+025 R:BLUNT;   13 rds]
            [tactics of ;+020 R: PRCE;   13 rds]    [tactics of ;+025 R:SLASH;   13 rds]
            [tactics of ;+010 R:ENRGY;   13 rds]    [tactics of ;+010 R: ELEC;   13 rds]
            [tactics of ;+030 R: COLD;   13 rds]    [tactics of ;+030 R: FIRE;   13 rds]
            [tactics of ;+030 R:NOMGC;   13 rds]    [tactics of ;-004 SV ROD;    13 rds]
            [tactics of ;-004 SV SPLL;   13 rds]    [tactics of ;-006 SV BRTH;   13 rds]
            [tactics of ;-007 SV PARA;   13 rds]    [tactics of ;-006 SV POI;    13 rds]
            [tactics of ;-004 SV ROD;    13 rds]
  • Infernalist:
    • New Skills:
      • Void Infusion: Stat buffs. The lower your stats when you cast it, the greater the buffs.
      • Shared Agony: Resist a % of incoming damage and return it to mob as attack damage.
      • Enslaved Summoning: Summon berserk-style gremlin to fight with you.
  • Knight:
    • Max carry weight 1100 while at 26 str.
    • Slightly faster shieldbash.
  • Hunter:
    • Max carry weight 1100 while at 26 str.
    • Faster, cheaper, Gash
    • Stronger Gash while at 26 str.
    • Can fletch arrows faster
    • New Skills:
      • Cascade: melee rounds hit EVERY mob in the fight. Nice for whacking lots of small stuff that gangs up on you.
      • Indomitable: immune to stun/bash
      • Pursue: Similar to hunt, auto-track-move-track-move... to mob.
  • Dread Vampire:
    • Impossible to fumble potions while at 26 dex.
    • Grasp does more damage (it had to be nerfed, but its still increased. See: news 1149)
    • Mistwalk works during daytime and night.
    • No blood loss during the day.
    • Stronger potence (Max +6 dr, based on hp).
    • Blood cost reduction for all spells to 1 bp.
    • Feed restores ALL blood points every time.

Multi-class bonuses

For multi-class prestige, the bonuses are simply that you can learn skills/spells from your secondary class.

  • Skills/Spells from the primary class are auto-adepted each level to full. You do NOT need to "re-learn" those.
  • Skills/Spells from the secondary class must be adepted as per usual (and take longer than usual)
  • There is a list of multi-class accessible skills/spells in 'help prestige4'.
    • If the secondary class would typically learn one of those, you will learn it on your prestige multi-class.
      • For example, if you're a Warrior, and you multi with a Cleric, Clerics learn 'sanctuary', and its on the list, so you can learn sanctuary.
  • Multi Skills/Spells learned thanks to your secondary class have a max adept percentage at 80% of the secondary class's native adept percentage.
    • For example, a War-Cleric will get sanctuary. Cleric's learn sanc to 95%. War-Cle will learn it to (95 x .80) = 76%
  • If BOTH classes have a skill or spell, whichever class has the higher percentage 'wins', and that value is the new limit for that skill or spell.
    • For example, Clerics usually adept rescue to 20%, while Druids adept rescue at 95%. A Cleric-Druid's rescue will adept to 95%.
  • Mage path spells, and Cleric pantheon spells, are not included for prestigers.
    • Cleric align-based spells DO still apply. You learn both heal & necromantic touch, but your ability to cast each is based on your align dev/evil.
  • Mage-X prestige's get a special perk of increased self-buff spells. They're +6 instead of the usual +3.


Multi-Class Skills/Spells Table

Here's a table showing what you learn from multi'ing with each Class, and to what percentage adeptness that class adepts that.

(Remember you will only get 80% of the listed adeptness, unless you also share that skill, in which case you just get whichever is the higher value)

Multi-Class Skills & Adeptness
X-Cleric X-Thief X-Warrior X-Mage X-Druid
aid 95 aid 70 aid 80 berserk style 45 aid 95
armor 95 backstab 95 berserk style 95 black fist 95 berserk style 45
berserk style 20 berserk style 45 blitz 80 caustic fount 95 create food 95
bless 95 circle 95 disarm 85 continual light 95 create spring 95
continual light 95 disarm 90 dodge 70 create spring 95 disarm 95
create food 95 dodge 95 doorbash 85 fireshield 95 dodge 95
create spring 95 dual wield 85 dual wield 85 float 95 dorn nadur 90
dodge 50 gouge 95 grip 90 fly 95 earthquake 95
fireshield 95 grip 35 kick 85 ice blast 95 fire breath 95
float 90 hide 85 lunge 90 invis 95 fireshield 95
fly 95 scan 90 parry 85 second attack 45 float 95
heal 95 second attack 90 punt 95 slink 95 fly 95
necromantic touch 95 sneak 95 rescue 80 third attack 30 forage 70
prayer 95 third attack 70 scan 60 track 85 hide 95
rescue 20 track 85 second attack 95 invis 95
sanctuary 95 shoulder 90 cure blindness 95
second attack 50 smash 95 cure poison 95
third attack 40 stun 85 kick 95
true sight 95 third attack 95 meditate 95
word of recall 95 track 85 sanctuary 95
parry 95
rescue 95
scan 60
second attack 95
heal 95
sneak 95
continual light 95
third attack 90
track 95
word of recall 95


  • Stupid Druid spell name translations:
    • cure blindness = ioc dall
    • cure poison = Ioc puinsean
    • sanctuary = nadur dion
    • heal = slainte
    • continual light = starlight

Damage Comparisons

I have a lot of data on different attack values, however I don't have a lot of comparison between prestige vs. non-prestige unfortunately (it's basically all prestige data). The one comparison I have however is on Ranger/Hunter Gash, which displays the advantage of the increased relevant stat to the gash attack (Gash is based on Wis+Str. Hunters have 26 Str). This is based on testing about 100 Gash's in the arena PvP, damage values may differ vs. Mobs.

Class Min Max Average DPS Damroll Notes
Hunter 141 173 157 85 92 Max str/wis.
Ranger 84 101 92 50 93 Max str/wis.

In general, all attacks are simply better. If not, defenses are better, allowing for less healing and more frequent attacks.

In practice, 2 Dreads can kill things 2 Vamps struggle much more to kill, etc.

Attack/wait-time speeds are decreased for some attacks/classes so even if the attack isn't necessarily stronger you are launching more of them more frequently. The Harbingers being able to launch 17 spirals before Coil of Flame expires compared to a regular Aug's 13 spirals is a nice gain. Plus, since Spiral damage is HP based, your increased prestige HP base will raise that level as well. More damage per hit and more hits overall: Double Whammy.

Leveling Tips

Leveling a prestige character fucking blows:

  • MUST be ip-1 game-wide while leveling or drastically reduced xp.
  • XP needed per level is jacked way way way up
  • XP gain pet hit is jacked way way way down. About 1/7th the usual rate of xp gain per hit.
  • Your kill buffer filling up with too many kills of a mob will drop xp down 0, entirely 0 xp per hit or kill.

Advice:

  • Get a fucking life and quit this bullshit game.
  • Be ip1. Clear your kill buffer every level to start, then twice per level, and by the end after every 'round' of mobs you go and kill.
    • I may be paranoid, but I clear it with 25 UNIQUE mobs.
  • Melee damage gains far more xp than the other attacks/spells. Just sit there, do nothing, and heal as needed.
    • Max your HR as much as possible to land as many melee hits as possible.
    • Max your DR as much as possible to land as much damage per melee hit as possible.
    • This applies to non-prestige leveling too btw, but really needs to be followed for prestige leveling.
  • Classes that get enhanced damage and 2nd/3rd/4th attack early on go much faster than those that do not.
  • Finding all the lowbie quests that give xp rewards is helpful (Town Hall, etc)

Grind your face off.

So far for me Knight and Hunter were the fastest. Dread sucks at first but then speeds up. Thief-Warrior is by far the worst. Absolutely awful the entire time start to finish.


How to Prestige

Glory & Gold Cost

See help prestige3.

In my mind, it usually behooves you to get as much glory as your patience can stand. The minimum 300/2bil price tag is both expensive in gold and also leaves you with a tiny 300 glory to play with, which you can't do all that much with. In my mind, I have no rush to prestige stuff usually, and would rather have at least 750 glory to play with. Once in a blue moon I'll blow the 2bil and do it at 300 glory, but, I likely have more gold than newer players and can do that.

If you are struggling with the gold cost, just keep glorying. Gold is stupid anyways. If you do need help getting SOME gold, my advice is to find 2/3 buddies and figure out a run for a decent item, then farm it, stockpile loot, and sell the shit out of it. Farming Mithril Hall or CD is way slower. There's solo things you can do if you have the means, farming edo dragon teeth and selling amulets is quite lucrative. I should write a page on profitable things for newbs to run.

Scrippe

If you have the required glory and gold, go to Queen Mordrineagh Ni Riain in the Castle of Rol Na Feinne.

Zmud/Tintin:' #6 s;ne;s;s;se;e;e;s;sw;sw;s;#5 sw;nw;#5 n;ne;n;e;n;ne;n;n;say entry;n;u;u;open west;w
Mush: #6s (ne) 2s (se) 2e s 2(sw) s 5(sw) (nw) 5n (ne) n e n (ne) 2n (say entry) n 2u (open west) w

In her room, execute the command prestige. She will provide you a scrippe with your name and the word "prestige" embossed.

Note: She will not verify if your character is already prestiged. Reimbursements will not be made for opportunities purchased if you are already prestige or multi-class.

After you have obtained that scrippe, and once you are ready to pull the trigger remove all your gear and empty your inventory and it may be wise to eat and drink (and maybe rest for a tick) so that you are in perfect health before being auto-leveled to level 5, as mental state and hunger and god knows what else may impact the auto-leveled hp gains.

Finally, contact a level 60 imm and tell them you'd like to prestige your character.

Closing Thoughts & Opinions

Any prestige character is significantly "better" than the non-prestige version. In my experience, the little things do matter.

  • Increasing stats by 1 does make a big difference. Having 26 of a stat makes whatever that is super good. 26 dex chars barely catch melee damage and don't drop potions, 26 wis/int chars seem to succeed is casting spells all the time. Whatever is going on in the game code I dunno, but the minor stat changes matter, as evidenced by:
    • 26 int vamps made grasp game breaking and had to be nerfed (news 1149)
    • 26 wis druids made dorn game breaking and had to be nerfed (news 1171)
    • 26 str hunters gash is much stronger (because gash is Wis+Str based)

So, all of the single-class prestige types are "just better" at being that class than the non-prestige version.

And, the multi-class prestige types can try interesting things to experiment with changing different stats based on who they cross-class with, raising their deficient stat, or secondary stat, or with clerics/druids essentially achieving the same stat bonus as the single-class prestige by raising prime stat to 26 and still also gaining cross-class skills. There's a lot of combo's out there, an each seems to have some nice perks.


Small changes make big impacts

  • The multi-class skills list doesn't look that impressive, but again its the less-fancy skills that make a decent impact
    • Adding parry/dodge/etc skills to characters who don't typically have them makes a big difference:
      • A Mage moving to a Mag-War gaining parry and dodge drastically reduces melee damage taken.
    • Increasing 2nd/3rd/4th attack percentages is very helpful.
      • A Mage moving to a Mag-War increases 2nd and 3rd attack from 45% and 30% both to 95%. More than double your melee damage attempts.
      • In conjunction with the above parry/dodge benefit, you've entirely flipped the script on the Mage's melee fighting capability.
    • Automatic skills are worthwhile and add up quickly, even if you don't get to 'play with them' yourself really.
      • A Thief moving to a Thi-War adds Parry, sees grip move from 30% to 90%, 2nd atk 90% -> 95%, 3rd atk 70% -> 95%.
    • Functional "utility" skills are nice and make gameplay easier, get you out of jams. Increase suriveability.
      • Gaining things like rescue, scan, track, and of course sanc/nadur dion, cure blind/poison, elemental shields, etc, are all fucking nice to have.


I'm betting there's a bunch of other ways prestige is game breaking that will eventually be nerfed too once people figure it out, because mostly none of this prestige stuff is super well beta tested. Edmond showed up one day and built it out in about 2 weeks then bailed. He had some people in various orders testing in on the build port for a week, some tweaks were made, then he shoved it onto the production server and let it fly. This is not some crack team of nerd game developers, its some dude who rushed this in, and his 3 buddies have to deal with the fallout now. Unsurprisingly, the grasp/dorn issues were huge and required adjustment, I'm certain there will be others.



Here's my own 2 cents on some of the different prestige options:


I haven't experimented with the multi-class prestige options much yet. But here's what I got so far:

  • Thi-War: Functionally better, but not much "fun"
    • Definitely hardier than a regular thief, but, not many features to actually mess with. Gets Rescue, which is nice. And Doorbash. Shrug.
  • Dru-Cle: A badass motherfucker who ain't takin shit from nobody
    • Definitely my favorite. The killer combo here is obtaining all the +dorn and lower dorn cost gear that's out there (Graaj/Tolsmir), and then tacking on the 26 wis from the prestige status. The stuff obtained from the cleric skills list isn't really big, druids already can do most of that stuff, but, that 26 wis and whatever other secret sauce prestige adds (speed?) makes him far better than my regular druids.
  • Cle-Dru: Maybe my best tank?
    • I have this guy devoted to Sarane for House Arcana Eviae path (the tanky/fighty cleric path skills), which makes a great combo with the prestige status. Guy is a brick shit house. The Druid stuff adds a huge quantity of useful spells to fix everything that's annoying about regular Clerics. He can fucking hide/sneak/scan/track, he can rescue at 95% instead of 20%, all his 2nd/3rd/4th atk percentages are way better. The combo of that stuff with the cleric devotion path spells like Greater Sanctuary (60% damage reduction), indurate, indignation, conviction, defense against undead, lightshield, divine power, and of course visage of the deity make this dude super solid. The Cleric devotion path stuff makes clerics decent tanks, but the Cle-Dru prestige stuff makes them vastly more functional and capable of a lot more gameplay. Easier to use, less restrictions, nice. I might do a Cle-War later to really focus on the tank element, that would be even better, though less good for walking around exploring and shit like that.


Here's some builds my friends have that I get the gist of:

  • Cle-War: Probably the best route to take to build a cleric tank really. Get all the fighty stuff, parry, melee atk %'s, grip, etc.
  • Mag-Cle: Sick of walking around 2 spell bots? Get by with 1. Mage buffs plus sanc, who's against that? Great for Immob mages.
  • Thi-Dru: Adding magic to thieves is super useful: sanc, invis, cure blind/poison, create spring, PLUS parry and increased melee %'s.
  • War-XXX: Warriors themselves fucking suck, so, prestige it with anything to maybe get more use out of it!


For the single-prestige classes, I have Dread, Knight, Hunter, will soon have my Fatty prestiged into a Bucc. Honestly not much to say about these other than "yea they're better". If you have one, why would you use the regular version? You wouldn't. So, I'm currently focusing on these because I kind of think that over time people may figure out new multi-class ideas for certain purposes/runs and I'll let that play out for awhile before committing to what I build there. But, these single-class guys aren't going anywhere, and really the end-game is now to have all these classes prestiged into their superman forms. So, mays well get that done first. They're all strong.

  • Dread: having 26 dex makes them almost unhittable for certain mobs. Grasp is fast and strong. Feed to full is money.
  • Knight: is huge and just laughs as things slam against him and bounce off.
  • Hunter: is wayyyy fucking nicer than Ranger and can actually kill things now, plus cascade is kickass for certain applications.
  • Bucc: I think will be fairly meh. They announced the Bucc skills when I was at like 250 glory, and personally I think those suck and are stupid, so I refused to spend the gold and have just been grinding him up to 1500 or 2k glory so I can prestige for free and have a huge glory chunk to do something cool with. So, I'll take the faster vindur gong and hp bonus and meh whatever, its still an upgrade, but I'm in this for the glory chunk at this point.